tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post3247890721121874098..comments2009-09-09T06:32:16.191-07:00Comments on Kongu Vellala Gounder history: Kongu Vellala Gounder historyPONDHEEPANKARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01518642138211248466noreply@blogger.comBlogger158125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-62098385358192820532009-09-03T09:24:40.067-07:002009-09-03T09:24:40.067-07:00Our Gounders are basically from agriculture societ...Our Gounders are basically from agriculture society with traditional culture.Our community was blessed with 40 to 45 MLAs and with few MPs during the regim of Congress and ADMK rule by MGR.Our agriculture society in political as well as in Goverment jobs were neglected .We must unite and fight together without any differeces to succeed the lost carrier.Uldu undo valvarea valvar matravar ellem tholuthundu pin selvar .Vandea Matram.Jeyhind.Ganapathy.M ,Salem 9442574545ganpethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11046265214839784083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-31175919705898595792009-08-27T07:58:28.026-07:002009-08-27T07:58:28.026-07:00/** Atleast in Urban areas they are less exploited.../** Atleast in Urban areas they are less exploited ....<br />**/<br /><br />Here you are exposed.. and its a surprise, how you termed less exploited.. do you have any metrics in exploitation?<br /><br />Actually, the entire urban system is exploiting the entire rural system.. the sewage the urban system produces is thrown in to rural villages polluting the living environment of the rural villagers..<br /><br />This is the greatest exploitation and discrimination.. ie the destruction of the very livelihood of the villagers..<br /><br />Secondly, the hard work of the villagers, is being valued very cheap by the urbanites.. the government did not allow the villagers to fix a price for their food produce.. and the urbanites bargain even for one rupee..<br /><br />This is second most exploitation..<br /><br />Next, the urbanites look down upon the rural villagers.. the very term countryfraud, indicates the utter racism and discrimination..<br /><br />So, mr. eagle.. first answer and work towards eliminating these racist discriminations.. and then we can talk about dalits..<br /><br />NOw you are playing a game that those dalits who join your urban system can have the freedom to further exploit the rural people..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-46313804824424167422009-08-27T07:53:04.380-07:002009-08-27T07:53:04.380-07:00Mr. Eagle,
/** Why do they prefer Urban filth ove...Mr. Eagle,<br /><br />/** Why do they prefer Urban filth over the healthy rural ?<br />**/<br /><br />Please tell me the reason.. i will explain later.<br /><br />/** Atleast here they can be on their own - there is no two tumbler system in cities, they can go to any restaurants - as long as they can pay nobody will ask them to go out, they can go to any temples - they can roam on any streets<br />**/<br /><br />YOu seem to paint a rosy picture of the cities which is not true..<br /><br />First tell me, what is wrong with two tumbler system.<br /><br />Secondly, in cities everything is only for commercial.. but even then, a typical restaurant will not allow a dalit, if he wears the rural dress..<br />Also, leave alone dalit.. can a rural people in his rural attire enter a 5 star hotel? They will not allow, becoz its reserved only for those elite..<br /><br />But in traditional rural villages, every household will offer food, whenever a dalit comes.. that is the spirit of villages.. Not only dalit.. any one can survive even without money.. but in cities, without money, they cannot live even for one day..<br /><br />/** With all its limitations and imperfections, market economy and the urban life is the solace for the underprivileged - at least it gives them an opportunity to be on their own - and they try to understand the word known as FREEDOM.<br />**/<br /><br />Oh great.. cities can have any limitations or imperfections.. but its good.. but rural system cannot have any imperfection..<br />I cannot understand your logic..<br /><br />Urban life solace for underprivileged.. how? do you call slum dwellers as solace?<br /><br />Btw, its known to everyone, that rural villages had limited opportunities, due to urban centric government policies.. its your biased view that you see this as dalit oppression..<br /><br />The real freedom for a man is the freedom to live with his family, with his child, and to have a living space.. Village provides these things..<br />No one ties the dalits in villages.. they have their own freedom.. But your pre-defined belief doesnt allow you to see those..<br /><br />/** and which, though constitutionally and by rule of law is granted to them, but denied mostly in villages.<br />**/<br /><br />This is a false statement.. dalits have their freedom in villages..<br />Lack of opportunities doesnt mean lack of freedom..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-80163151325664292172009-08-26T11:03:58.198-07:002009-08-26T11:03:58.198-07:00Mr. Eagle,
YOu are writing like a typical academe...Mr. Eagle,<br /><br />YOu are writing like a typical academecian.. You are sensationalising and blowing up the issue..<br /><br />We can also write comments like you.. see it below..<br /><br />The pain of havenots unable to survive in the society...<br />The cornering of resources by the riches and discriminating the poor.<br />The pain of being exploited by the urban elites for the paltry sum..<br />The pain of slum dwellers, whose area of living is looted by the urbanites.<br />The pain of hunger, because there is no money to live in..<br /><br />The pain of disease, unable to pay heft doctor fees, <br /><br />The pain of the rural people, who were exploited to the core by the urban elites.<br /><br />The urban sewages being diverted to rural areas, spoiling their livelyhood, their environment..<br /><br />I can list out so on and on and on..<br /><br />The very life of an urbanite discriminates the rural people..<br /><br />It is the urbanites who are using slumdwellers to clean their toilets, and clean their septic tanks..<br /><br />You cannot find those in rural villages..<br /><br />In rural villages, the dalits had a means to live, even without a single penny..<br /><br />In rural villages, eventhough untouchability existed, the higher caste always helped them in times of difficulty.. <br /><br />In kongu belt, at every harvest season, a share of the produce will be shared to all sections of the villages.. This practice was existing till 1990's..<br /><br />In villages, the dalits have the freedom to have their own temples for worship and community festival..<br /><br />The list continues further..<br /><br />So, please stop emotionalising and sensationalising issues, and deal with it practically..<br /><br />It is the so called intellectuals, who use the slum dwellers for cleaning their streets, the garbages, the sewage canals, <br />and go to their office in a car, and write about dalit empowerment..<br /><br />I dont want that hypocrisy here..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-82697573980824620672009-08-25T10:01:09.081-07:002009-08-25T10:01:09.081-07:00/** This is the same world which has both Internet.../** This is the same world which has both Internet and Taliban together<br />**/<br /><br />what's relation b/w taliban & internet.. totally unrelated comparison..<br />The taliban are using internet more than us..<br /><br />/** To keep it simple - I dont want to argue on the Muslims angle and Europeans angle .....and how good or bad we were in the past ....<br />**/<br /><br />If you dont want to argue on muslim angle or european angle, the better leave everything else also..<br /><br />As i said earlier, the issue has to be discussed only on relative comparison, and NOT in isolation..<br /><br />/** The current reality is -<br />1.Dalits are dominated by OBC/MBC's<br />2. There is soft-racism by Brahmins.<br />**/<br /><br />3. There is heavy, hard & violent racism by dravidian racists..<br /><br />/** My original grouse against KVG's is - though they are one of the advanced communities in terms of social standing, business, education and agriculture - why do they want to ride on the caste bandwagon - and their top two demands - repealing/amendment of PCR act and exclusive reservation of KVG'S is uncalled for ....<br />**/<br /><br />TO understand this, you need to first understand the reality of caste system, with open mind..<br /><br />for that you need to read Dharampal's book.. www.dharampal.net<br /><br />unless the above happens, what ever i say, you will never understand or accept..<br /><br />regarding PCR, most of it are abused by the SC's.. i have seen many families who were affected because of this act, when the dalit worker has to pay any debt or loan back to the farmer..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-73174126242737438342009-08-25T08:30:39.468-07:002009-08-25T08:30:39.468-07:00Right Angle Buddy,
Guess you are missing my main ...Right Angle Buddy,<br /><br />Guess you are missing my main point and deviating by answering to the specifics .....And see who is aggressive and abusive now .... ha ha ....<br /><br />The beauty of debate/argument is both sides can go on arguing without coming to any conclusion - with neither side budging ...<br />This is the same world which has both Internet and Taliban together ....so differing views will always be there ...let it be ....<br /><br />To keep it simple - I dont want to argue on the Muslims angle and Europeans angle .....and how good or bad we were in the past ....<br /><br />The current reality is - <br />1.Dalits are dominated by OBC/MBC's <br />2. There is soft-racism by Brahmins.<br /><br />My original grouse against KVG's is - though they are one of the advanced communities in terms of social standing, business, education and agriculture - why do they want to ride on the caste bandwagon - and their top two demands - repealing/amendment of PCR act and exclusive reservation of KVG'S is uncalled for ....<br /><br />If you ask me who am I to question this .....well ....Good Luck ...<br /><br />And I have heard about Dharmpals books but not read them ...<br /><br />Eagle<br /><br />AndUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031042041364801174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-46473607988547344492009-08-25T08:12:09.258-07:002009-08-25T08:12:09.258-07:00/** I did say that the Dalits face more problem fr.../** I did say that the Dalits face more problem from OBC/BC's rather than Brahmins. And Brahmins though outwardly not vociferous in showing casteist tendencies, do practice soft-racism in workplace, temples and religious institutions<br />**/<br /><br />Every community faced the usual problem.. the dalits of one region are the masters of another region.. (Eg: in ariyalur district, the paraiyars are dominant community)<br /><br />But to attribute everything to brahmins is completely wrong..<br /><br />The problems faced by dalit is nothing compared to what brahmins faced because of dravidian racists..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-79375861497487889622009-08-25T08:10:33.733-07:002009-08-25T08:10:33.733-07:00/** I alluded the story of "throwing out of t.../** I alluded the story of "throwing out of train .." to remind the struggle of Mahatma Gandhi - This particular incident spurred Gandhi to fight against the imperialism and dominance of Whites ....Probably if he and/or other social reformers have not fought for the fundamental rights may be our/your situation today will be like that (Dominated by a upper caste/religion/race person)<br /><br />**/<br /><br />The incident of gandhi occured in southafrica, thrown out by white britishers.. such racism prevailed only in europe, and NOT in india..<br /><br />The concept of higher caste and lower caste is a european one, where nobles exploited the serfs..<br /><br />In india, there is no such higher caste or lower caste.. the so called higher caste brahmins in india lived a disciplined life, with lot of restrictions, without any political power..<br /><br />There is no concept of higher or lower.. there was both upward and downward mobility of castes in india..<br /><br />So, dont confuse the european system with indian one.. this is the mistake that most of the indians do, because of academic propoganda.. both are entirely different..<br /><br />Btw, have you read dharampal's books?<br />visit www.dharampal.netInquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-6793717607234520622009-08-25T08:06:12.262-07:002009-08-25T08:06:12.262-07:00Mr. Eagle,
I am not debating based on indian cons...Mr. Eagle,<br /><br />I am not debating based on indian constitution.. I am debating based on common sense..<br /><br />Please use your brain, and then compare the incidents..<br /><br />/** On American Slavery and untoucability - American slavery is 100% abolished now. Nobody practices slavery now. We can be 100% sure. The same cannot be said of Untouchability. Though blacks still face some sort of discrimination in USA, due to the US Govt's affirmative action lot of blacks have improved a lot in life - Obama's, Jackson's, Williams are few example<br />**/<br /><br />So because few people are known to you, should we assume, all blacks are developed?<br /><br />More than 90% of the criminals in US are blacks.. Freedom need not always do good to one.. the blacks were all of sudden left to fend for themselves, without any moral support or guidance, that subsequent generations became anti-social elements..<br />Education and freedom will work only if there is a culture and community..<br /><br />Ok.. that's a different case..<br /><br />I was mentioning about US slavery to drive you a point that untouchability is thousand times better than those, and that untouchability in india is mutually practiced by all communities, and that even though it may be odd, but its largely NOT harmful..<br /><br />If you dont understand my point, i cannot do anything..<br /><br />/** And on the sexual exploitation - the exploitation of the Dalit and the under-privileged women by Zamindars and wealthy landlords are well known. As late as 1930-1940's the Nairs of Kerala used to exploited their women workers by asking them to work topless<br />**/<br /><br />First, the zamindar system is NOT part of caste system..<br />Second, the zamindari and landlord concept was first introduced by muslim kings and rather exploited by britishers..<br /><br />Thirdly, the fact some of the landlords made women to work topless is NOT attributed to caste system or untouchability in general.. its a localised incident, that occured because there is no native king to regulate..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-11454077818977018012009-08-25T07:11:04.305-07:002009-08-25T07:11:04.305-07:00Dear Right Angle,
1. On Untouchability - Untoucha...Dear Right Angle,<br /><br />1. On Untouchability - Untouchability is a crime. Criminal offense. As per Indian constitution. As per article 17 of Indian Constitution - "Untouchability" is abolished and its practice in any form is forbidden .....<br />In addition to this there is "Protection of civil rights act 1955" which details the actions or activities which are prohibited under rule of law.<br />(The fact that Article 17 is not 100% enforced and there are people clamoring for the removal/amendment to PCR act is a different matter).<br /><br />2. On American Slavery and untoucability - American slavery is 100% abolished now. Nobody practices slavery now. We can be 100% sure. The same cannot be said of Untouchability. Though blacks still face some sort of discrimination in USA, due to the US Govt's affirmative action lot of blacks have improved a lot in life - Obama's, Jackson's, Williams are few example. <br /><br />And on the sexual exploitation - the exploitation of the Dalit and the under-privileged women by Zamindars and wealthy landlords are well known. As late as 1930-1940's the Nairs of Kerala used to exploited their women workers by asking them to work topless ....<br /><br />3. I alluded the story of "throwing out of train .." to remind the struggle of Mahatma Gandhi - This particular incident spurred Gandhi to fight against the imperialism and dominance of Whites ....Probably if he and/or other social reformers have not fought for the fundamental rights may be our/your situation today will be like that (Dominated by a upper caste/religion/race person)<br /><br />4. I did say that the Dalits face more problem from OBC/BC's rather than Brahmins. And Brahmins though outwardly not vociferous in showing casteist tendencies, do practice soft-racism in workplace, temples and religious institutions.<br /><br />EagleUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031042041364801174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-55758620453474465322009-08-24T09:46:18.244-07:002009-08-24T09:46:18.244-07:00/** I assume you work in Bangalore/Chennai but you.../** I assume you work in Bangalore/Chennai but your native is Erode/Kovai. Imagine while travelling back home you are thrown out from your railway compartment by a Brahmin/North Indian - saying your caste/colour as the reason ....<br />**/<br /><br />So periyarists throwing away brahmins is not an issue..<br /><br />Btw, as far as i have known, no brahmins had thrown dalits out.. its only the OBC and BC's who could have done that..<br /><br />YOu claim to oppose racism.. but showing so much of anti-brahminism in your comments.. what kind of stand it is?Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-50626799343783111692009-08-24T09:42:20.284-07:002009-08-24T09:42:20.284-07:00/***
Manu shastra says
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If the Sudra in.../***<br />Manu shastra says <br /><br />*********<br />If the Sudra intentionally listens for committing to memory the Veda, then his ears should be filled with molten lead and lac; if he utters the Veda, then his tongue should be cut off, if he has mastered the Veda his body should be cut to pieces' <br />*********<br />***/<br /><br /><br />Ok.. how many persons have been punished with pouring lead? Please give me a list, so that we can discuss further..<br /><br />"ஸ்ரீரங்கத்தையும், சிதம்பரத்தையும் எந்த நாள் தகர்க்கிறோமோ, அந்த நாள்தான் பொன்னாள்"<br /><br />The above quote was uttered by one of your "Pahutharivu" thalaivar.. that too in a modern times of 20th century..<br />You seem to have no issues in accepting this.. because it is pahutharivu..<br /><br />/** Please don't try to justify historical blunders. History is not always good - we say present is bad - but the past is worse - only the past gave us - untouchability, child marriage, sati, oppression against women and lot more social in-equalities.<br /><br />All are tolerated (because of no alternate choice) in a feudal and monarchy type of environment. But it need not be same in today's democratic world. Here all are equal. At-least legally. Equal opportunity is a fundamental right. There should not be any discrimination based on sex, religion, caste etc. Fundamental right to practice religion (caste?) is guaranteed but not to exploit others. <br />**/<br /><br />Please try to quote with substantiation.. When you close your mind, there can be no discussions.. you can accuse me of anything, and you will always take the moral authority and start advicing me..<br /><br />Good and bad things are highly relative.. in the world of rapists and murderers, a petty thief would be the most good person..<br /><br />In the world of saints and wise people, the same thief will be the most bad person..<br /><br />SO, judge history based on world occurances..<br /><br />I have already pointed you about american slave system there.. the slaves dont have any protection, and the owner buy and sell them at their wishes.. the slave women were sexually exploited at will..<br /><br />Such brutality did not happen in india, because, untouchability provided a psychological barrier b/w communities.. this prevented dominant communities from exploiting weaker ones,..<br /><br />Also, indian history of polity is always consensus based.. take down any village panchayat.. it will show you that the judge themselves has to give judgement before the people.. Not like the current ones..<br /><br />In our historic tradition, the people had always the right to oppose.. if people find a king as unjust, they instantly moved to nearby one who provides justice..<br /><br />So, come out of the well and see the world in full perspective..<br /><br />To actually know more about our history, read dharampal's books at the following url..<br /><br /><a href="http://www.dharampal.net" rel="nofollow">www.dharampal.net</a><br /><br />Particularly download the book "The beautiful tree" and read it..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-50329035841059454482009-08-24T09:29:25.867-07:002009-08-24T09:29:25.867-07:00/** If I could make a 10% change in your viewpoint.../** If I could make a 10% change in your viewpoints that is enough for me <br />**/<br /><br />This is the core problem here.. you consider yourself as moral authority and attempt to change me.. instead of debating, your aim is changing me.. <br /><br />/**Untouchability is a crime. Period. As per Indian constitution. As per moral and ethical standards. <br />**/<br /><br />Untouchability is NOT a crime.. period..<br /><br />/** *None* of the religion espouses the cause of untouchability. Untouchability/apartheid/racism are all manifestations of the same problem. All are man made. By power hungry zealots. To protect himself. To show superiority. To establish supremacy by divide and rule. To show one race is superior to other. <br />**/<br /><br />Good comedy.. first read about religions, and then read about history.. before that, first open up your mind for alternate views.. <br /><br />Can i quote some most harshest lines from other religions? You can search yourself in net.. try that..<br /><br />You cannot impose your dogma as history.. you need to first observe facts and then interpret..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-83405488106248790062009-08-24T06:20:18.075-07:002009-08-24T06:20:18.075-07:00Right Angle,
Unconditional apologies for the perc...Right Angle,<br /><br />Unconditional apologies for the perceived personal attack .....controversial word withdrawn ...<br /><br />And am not for debate ...If I could make a 10% change in your viewpoints that is enough for me ...<br /><br />Untouchability is a crime. Period. As per Indian constitution. As per moral and ethical standards. <br /><br />*None* of the religion espouses the cause of untouchability. Untouchability/apartheid/racism are all manifestations of the same problem. All are man made. By power hungry zealots. To protect himself. To show superiority. To establish supremacy by divide and rule. To show one race is superior to other. <br /><br />Manu shastra says <br /><br />*********<br />If the Sudra intentionally listens for committing to memory the Veda, then his ears should be filled with molten lead and lac; if he utters the Veda, then his tongue should be cut off, if he has mastered the Veda his body should be cut to pieces' <br />*********<br /><br />Will any educated person accept something as stupid as above ?? <br /><br />Please don't try to justify historical blunders. History is not always good - we say present is bad - but the past is worse - only the past gave us - untouchability, child marriage, sati, oppression against women and lot more social in-equalities.<br /><br />All are tolerated (because of no alternate choice) in a feudal and monarchy type of environment. But it need not be same in today's democratic world. Here all are equal. At-least legally. Equal opportunity is a fundamental right. There should not be any discrimination based on sex, religion, caste etc. Fundamental right to practice religion (caste?) is guaranteed but not to exploit others. <br /><br />But today, BC/MBC/OBC's are more non-tolerant/militant towards SC/ST's than Brahmins. Brahmins practice soft bias/racism against other communities. As a whole Indians are attacked racially elsewere (Australia). That is the reality. If you think you are superior in one place in other place you are inferior.<br /><br />Education doesn't seem to make any difference in eradicating the social menace. Worldwide, movements are there to reduce racism. While as a nation India condemns racism, it maintains a stoic silence on its internal racism - untouchability.<br /><br />In this Internet age - where boundaries are blurred and where nations do not exist - I feel mentioning about these backward practices is itself meaningless, leave alone discussing it - ironically in an Internet tool !!!! <br /><br />Your views border almost on extreme right-wing. Equivalent of Ku-Klux-Klan. <br /><br />I assume you work in Bangalore/Chennai but your native is Erode/Kovai. Imagine while travelling back home you are thrown out from your railway compartment by a Brahmin/North Indian - saying your caste/colour as the reason ....<br /><br />You should be thankful for leaders like Gandhiji, EVR that such a situation does not exist in India today ..<br /><br />Its easy to criticize them - but it is difficult to understand what they said, leave alone following it. <br /><br />EagleUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031042041364801174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-60133803156024502212009-08-23T10:15:03.306-07:002009-08-23T10:15:03.306-07:00/** I am more proud to call myself a 'Tamilian.../** I am more proud to call myself a 'Tamilian' than a Gounder. Although we should respect our caste, we should be united under one Umbrella, that is 'Mother Tamil'. It is our only identity.Long live Great Tamil.<br />**/<br /><br />Prabha.. when you call yourself as gounder, you are connecting with a 5000 year old history, that dates back to IVC..<br /><br />Pls refer to the mangala vaazthu, where kambar calls us "Ganga kula" people.. which means, the people of origins of ganga..<br />and if you want more details, compare the culture of the present day farmers of UP, and you will see lot of cultural similarities, including facial..<br />If not convinced, try to get mckinsey documents, and read it..<br /><br />When you call yourself as Tamilian, you are connecting with a racist group, which used tamil for their personal and divisive agenda.. you are isolating yourself, and becoming a racist.. tamil nadu is a concept that only occured recently..<br /><br />Tamil has strong association with other indic languages and mainly sanskrit.. For example, what is the tamil word for "Katha"?Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-8298163058353786462009-08-23T10:09:56.160-07:002009-08-23T10:09:56.160-07:00/** You are comfortable because of the hardwork of.../** You are comfortable because of the hardwork of the people like him ...If not for him, Anna and Kalaignar we all (meaning all non-brahmins) will be doing the menial jobs and the Brahmins will be ruling the roost <br />**/<br /><br />What are the menial jobs that you are mentioning.. and how those jobs appear as menial..<br /><br />IF not for periyar, i would be doing agriculture.. do you think it as menial?<br />OR do you think labour work as menial?<br />How do you build your house? Did you family members mixed the concrete, prepared the bricks and constructed the house?<br /><br />First think rationally in true terms.. NOt the pseudo rationality of the DKs..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-13840368658231893312009-08-23T10:07:18.437-07:002009-08-23T10:07:18.437-07:00Eagle,
/** Untouchability is one of the besetting...Eagle,<br /><br />/** Untouchability is one of the besetting crimes of the Hinduism and EVR's role in eradicating the same is indisputable ...Read history to understand that ...<br />**/<br /><br />Untouchability is not a crime, and the EVR did not have any role in eradicating it.. the very reason is because, untouchability is mutually practiced by all castes..<br /><br />I challenge you.. you can go to any of the SC communities, and enquire if they would mix with another Dalit community.. they will not even drink water..<br /><br />Untouchability is one of the arrangement, where conflicting cultures had a way to live together without disturbing each other.<br /><br />Infact, untouchability remained as a protective barrier to the dalit community.. That's why we did not have any genocide, and we did not have any slavery or the kind of slave abuses as happened in america..<br /><br />I request you to first read original history and then comment.. NOt the distorted one, which you study in school text books and DK magazines.Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-56785463112305610492009-08-23T08:47:07.599-07:002009-08-23T08:47:07.599-07:00Mr. Eagle,
If you really want to debate, you can ...Mr. Eagle,<br /><br />If you really want to debate, you can avoid personal attacks against me.. it doesnt matter, if i am crooked or insane or whatever you call me..<br /><br />The topic which we debate matters here..<br /><br />If you are wise enough to have such refined debate, i can continue further..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-84958188427604191322009-08-23T08:11:00.400-07:002009-08-23T08:11:00.400-07:00I am more proud to call myself a 'Tamilian'...I am more proud to call myself a 'Tamilian' than a Gounder. Although we should respect our caste, we should be united under one Umbrella, that is 'Mother Tamil'. It is our only identity.Long live Great Tamil.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03175956747496911425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-54941624769918882042009-08-22T07:26:42.892-07:002009-08-22T07:26:42.892-07:00Dear Right (Crooked) Angle,
Dont spew venom on in...Dear Right (Crooked) Angle,<br /><br />Dont spew venom on individuals who passed away and who have some social standing ....and especially on their personal life ...see what they have achieved socially and for the community ....<br /><br />You dont know for what they stood and what they achieved .. Untouchability is one of the besetting crimes of the Hinduism and EVR's role in eradicating the same is indisputable ...Read history to understand that ...<br /><br />You are comfortable because of the hardwork of the people like him ...If not for him, Anna and Kalaignar we all (meaning all non-brahmins) will be doing the menial jobs and the Brahmins will be ruling the roost ...Remember you people (KVG's) are also forward castes and its only Kalignar who gave you the BC status ...<br /><br />Following a caste is ok as long is it is personal and not affecting others ....<br /><br />My grouse against KVG's (a section of the KVG's) is their attitude towards Dalits and the lower castes<br /><br />See the discussions had with few of your people during March-April timeframe ....<br /><br />Being aggressive wont help buddy ..be considerate and above all respect others .....<br /><br />Try to be a real Right angle .. ;-)<br /><br />EagleUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031042041364801174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-77511909293266941912009-08-22T02:28:15.497-07:002009-08-22T02:28:15.497-07:00/** Shame on you for saying that you are a softwar.../** Shame on you for saying that you are a software engg. and trying to justify the casteism. Casteism is the bane of the Hinduism and is worse than the racism practiced elsewhere ......<br />**/<br /><br />See.. if people chose to follow their caste, what is the problem for you.. if you dont like your caste, you may not follow it..<br /><br />Why should you accuse or insult others?<br /><br />Is it the "Pahutharivu" that your masters told?<br /><br />Every man has his thinking power, and better please use it.. dont blindly believe in propoganda of the so called "Pahutharivu" leaders.Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-8941874771851564012009-08-22T02:24:59.968-07:002009-08-22T02:24:59.968-07:00உங்கள் பகுத்தறிவுத் தந்தையின் யோக்யதை உனக்கு தெரிய...உங்கள் பகுத்தறிவுத் தந்தையின் யோக்யதை உனக்கு தெரியுமா?<br /><br />"பெரியாரின் மறுபக்கம்" என்னும் புத்தகத்தை படித்து பாருங்கள்..<br /><br />80 வயதில் 16 வயது பெண்ணை திருமணம் செய்த ஒரு ஆளை பகுத்தறிவு தந்தை என்று சொல்வது ஒரு வெட்கக்கேடானது..<br /><br />இதில வேற நெஞ்சு பொறுக்குதில்லையாம்..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-27359117354598988192009-08-21T21:56:25.480-07:002009-08-21T21:56:25.480-07:00RightAngle - you are a twisted angle
Shame on you...RightAngle - you are a twisted angle<br /><br />Shame on you for saying that you are a software engg. and trying to justify the casteism. Casteism is the bane of the Hinduism and is worse than the racism practiced elsewhere ......<br /><br />பகுத்தறிவு தந்தை பிறந்த நாட்டிலே இன்று ஜாதி வெறி பிடித்த படித்த மேன்மக்கள் ........<br />ஜாதிகள் இல்லையடி பாப்பா என்று சொன்ன பாரதி பிறந்த நாட்டிலே இன்று ஜாதி சங்கங்ககளும் ஜாதி கட்சிகளும் .......<br /><br />நெஞ்சு பொறுக்குதில்லயே இந்த நிலை கெட்ட மாந்தரை நினைத்துவிட்டால் .................<br /><br />EagleUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031042041364801174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-7400961923366878502009-08-21T08:11:59.894-07:002009-08-21T08:11:59.894-07:00I am disappointed, that instead of discussing hist...I am disappointed, that instead of discussing history, politics is discussed.<br /><br />Mr. Eagle.. dont think, you know everything and others are fools..<br /><br />I am a software engg, and i strongly support my caste..<br /><br />CAste is the strength of Hinduism, and India.. Without caste, there would not be a culture called hinduism.. without caste india would have perished like persia..<br /><br />If you still want to stick to your blind arguments, please be it.. but dont mock at others who support caste.. otherwise, you will be worst intellectual oppressor here..<br /><br />If you want to discuss anything, please be factual..Inquiring Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207256660208904320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8742008588497461357.post-80717332568681896372009-08-21T03:05:34.451-07:002009-08-21T03:05:34.451-07:00KMP lost deposit in Thondamuthur by-election - If ...KMP lost deposit in Thondamuthur by-election - If you cant make a dent in Kongu heartland wherelese you are going to do ??? <br /><br />Kudos to the KVG's who have NOT voted for KNMP and ensured that there is no place for Caste chauvinists ....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031042041364801174noreply@blogger.com